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  • Yeah it seems pretty impossible but how much more impossible than being Mr. Robot? If I must accept that in every past scene with Christian Slater he was either Elliot or not there at all then I guess that I can accept that his scene with Tyrell was actually two of Elliot's personas in conversation. I can also accept that in Elliot's scene with Joanna Wellick that she spoke to him as a different person because she is aware of his duality (triality? quadality?) and was fishing for clues as to when he would become her husband again.

    Whatever the truth, we know that there'll be plenty more mindfuckery next season.

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    • Gideon suspected Elliot, but when he met Tyrell alone he told him about the honey pot, he would never tell Elliot because he suspects him and wants to capture whomever was behind the attack.


      Elliot asked the secretary about Tyrell, she told Elliot that Tyrell doesn't work there anymore, if he's asking about himself she would just say you are standing right there Mr. Wellick, but she didn't recognize him.

      Episode 1 Tyrell is with the E-corp group in a meeting where Colby whispers to Tyrell who talks to Gideon to excuse Angela out.


      Tyrell is 100% not Elliot, how Joanna talked to Elliot is mysterious, but there is concrete evidence Tyrell is not another persona.

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    • Yeah, you completely blew the lid off in the first sentence. But I can't help but wonder if the same couldn't be said about Mr. Robot. I haven't reviewed but I keep thinking about that scene in which Darlene is going to go through with the hack without the support of White Rose. Mr. Robot is yelling at her and then Elliot steps in and reasons with her. If I go back am I going to see that Darlene never even acknowledged Mr. Robot at that time? Or am I supposed to accept that Elliot first yelled at her (projecting this onto his alt persona) and then tried a new tactic?

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    • yeah I think you are supposed to think that last thing you wrote. I'm pretty sure everyone in the group knows of his problem so they probably allow him to process that in whatever way he needs to as long as he gets his part done.

      It's similar in the movie Fight Club (which this show probably used as a strong reference for how to do it). Although from Elliot's perspective (which is the main perspective of the show) we see people talking to Mr. Robot (like the guy in the cafe who punches him) and looking at him but not Elliot but in reality they actually are looking at him.

      So basically sometimes Elliot is Elliot, sometimes Elliot functioning as both Mr. Robot and himself, and sometimes Elliot functioning as just Mr.Robot (which we haven't seen I don't think). But it's always from his original perspective that we get to see it through. That's probably why we have never seen him functioning as just Mr. Robot because at that point it's essentially a fugue state that he's in.

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    • Sounds about right. FYI, we've definitely seen him operate as just Mr. Robot. I already mentioned his meeting with Tyrell and there was the scene in the greenhouse when he pulled the gun on Romero.

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    • 188.55.28.164 wrote:
      Gideon suspected Elliot, but when he met Tyrell alone he told him about the honey pot, he would never tell Elliot because he suspects him and wants to capture whomever was behind the attack.


      Elliot asked the secretary about Tyrell, she told Elliot that Tyrell doesn't work there anymore, if he's asking about himself she would just say you are standing right there Mr. Wellick, but she didn't recognize him.

      Episode 1 Tyrell is with the E-corp group in a meeting where Colby whispers to Tyrell who talks to Gideon to excuse Angela out.


      Tyrell is 100% not Elliot, how Joanna talked to Elliot is mysterious, but there is concrete evidence Tyrell is not another persona.

      tyrrell talk to mr robot in the car and says he knows his secret. What do you think about this

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    • I think Tyrell is a real person and not another character build in Elliot´s mind...

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    • The scene where Joanna is talking to Elliot is still very strange. She starts talking to him in Danish, which obviously Elliott doesn't understand. But if Tyrell is another persona of Elliott's, then that would make sense. Almost like Joanna is wondering if he would speak back to her in Swedish/Danish to snap him back into Tyrell. I am split on the whole idea if Tyrell is another person or not, at some points it seems obvious that Tyrell is a separate person from Elliott, but then at other times like this scene, it makes you question that. What an amazing show this is!

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    • In season 1 - tyrell has a meeting with elliots dad in back of his car? wouldn't tyrell of known it was elliot?

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    • yeah but howw can elliot or mr robot know that tyrell killed the woman? please answer that question.

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    • Elliot/Mr. Robot/Tyrell ... is the Dark Army.

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    • In season one we are lead to believe that Mr. Robot is introducing Elliot to fsociety when it was really Elliot that created it.  We later learn that Mr. Robot is Elliot's deceased father and Mr. Robot and Elliot are the same.

      Now we have Tyrell taking the lead on Phase II.  Is it possible that Tyrell was a real person who died and now is playing a similar role in Elliot's mind as Mr. Robot did in season one? 

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    • I finally got around to watching the last episode and...Holy shit! I would have been surprised enough to learn that I guessed right but I'm surprised x100 to have my theory subverted. The question the episode leaves me with now is why poor out-of-the-loop Angela seems to be fully in the loop. Also why there is no sense of emergency and an expectation that Eliot will wake up. Whatever the answer it's going to be fucking awesome.

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    • Sam Esmail said in an interview that the shooting was designed to establish unequivocally that Tyrell is real. What was fun was the twist that Mr. Robot was determined to convince Elliot that Tyrell was imaginary, and that Elliot didn't know WHAT to believe.

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    • I tried to think of it the other way round....

      Can Elliott be an alter ego/a personality of Tyrell? That's why Tyrell said he loves Elliot, "he loves this personality" that has the capacity of hacking and comunicate with Joanna. 

      And another thought: Alderson is a skandinavian name, could it be that Tyrell can speak swedish/danish (sorry cant tell) thanks to Elliot..? 

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    • Well remember that scene when Elliot's sister is with the FBI agent watching all the faces linking to Tyrell and Elliot on the wall? There was two separate pictures of them on the wall hence different persons.

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    • Thesis: Love = sacrifice over time.

      Thesis: To a human - the most valued object is our mind.

      Hypothesis: Season2 = EA emerges TW.

      Fact: In Season1, we know that EA has fractured his persona through the guilt/loss/responsibility of his father's death and has now assumed his father's persona.

      Fact: We know that EA will not see himself as a murderer. However, the destruction of the old world (and the creation of a new one) requires a degree of suffering on the part of others. A state of affairs which EA can not easily experience.

      Fact: We know at the beginning that TW and EA are different humans. However, we also know that a cartridge was expended in the arcade, and that JW is not in regular contact (at least through the middle of S2) with TW. We do know that EA does not know of TW's existence until the end of Season2. And we know that JW has said this gift is the rarest of all. We see the brownouts and the electrical power in this society being drained, and the people suffering for it. As that power leaves, so then does EA assume it into himself.

      Fact: We know that TW is defined as unrivaled ambition and unrestrained power. This is exactly the sort of personality needed to push the new world into creation over the suffering of others at the loss of the old world. EA will not tolerate the death of the innocent people in the ECorps paper facility. EA tells us that the hardest part comes after the fall. The hardest part thus may be that TW is necessary for EA to complete his sacrifice.

      Synthesis: This story is the development of EA. We are watching EA assume unto himself that which is necessary for the creation of a new world. TW is necessary. EA, however, can not survive being TW. The emergence of TW within EA must result in self-destruction; it is through this self-destruction by which SE will cause us to feel EA's love for us.

      Conclusion: EA so loves us that he sacrifices his mind for our new world. A world upon which he must stand at the gates of the promised land, but may not enter. Unrivaled ambition and unrestrained power do not belong in the new world.

      Prophets do not partake of their gifts.

      I'm ready for Season3.

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